Hk P7 Serial Numbers And Dates
What and HOW do you read the date code on an HK? What are the POSITIVES? Marks and Symbols for the P7 Family. This is because they are applied by the proofing house after the gun has been completed and finished by HK. The serial number was also applied last by HK, and is also bare steel. In the date coding system, each letter corresponds to a number. The letter 'J' is skipped for proofed.
(multiple ports fill the space between the barrel and a 'chamber' milled into the slide to lock them together). This is known as the Barnitzke system. Effectively the barrel is the piston and the slide is the cylinder. The HK P9S is a true 'Roller Delayed-Blowback' pistol that works just like the HK 91/3/4/etc rifles. The rollers slow down the rearward movement of the bolt carrier and slide. They are never locked as a unit.
Here is a listing of several of the models and their serial number prefixes. I will add to these as I get more of them. Most all older HK firearms do not have prefixes at all, or just a single letter prefix.
Notice too that this one has a manufacture date on it while your earlier one doesn't. There is a lot of variation with regards to markings on these pistols. Definitely refinished.
The German version, know to most as the P7 PSP was used for a long time by many different German police and military elements. Several years back, the Germans traded their PSPs back to H&K for a pistol of modern design and production. The old PSPs were gone over by HK armorers and then imported and sold on the US civilian market. The German police did not routinely shoot their PSPs, and most of them displayed external holster wear but very little if no internal wear from firing them. They are excellent pistols and I own 2 of them. Due to the semi-automatic blowback design which uses gas pressures from the ignited cartridge fed through a small port in the barrel (in front of the chamber) to retard the rearward motion of the slide, the use of lead bullets is not recommended because shaved lead resulting from bullet feeding will quickly block the gas port and impede proper operation of the blowback system. Per G3Kurz: This may be a good time to share this again.
The factory sights can be easily cleared of the white plastic that comes in them, and Trijicon tritium vials fit right in. If you prep the factory sights, ie remove the plastic, drill a pin hole in the back of the sight for future service, and countersink the face for white paint around the vial, Trijicon will furnish, install, and return ship the front and rear sights for $54. The supply of German police trade-in imports has dried up, and the prices for the PSPs are climbing again due to demand. Two years ago you could easily find them for $500 - $600.
I will add to these as I get more of them. Most all older HK firearms do not have prefixes at all, or just a single letter prefix.
Known pistols: 172,277 US Interarms 172,285 US Interarms 172,291 US Interarms 172,323 DE 172,616 UK deactivated 172,620 US 172,621 US 172,623 US 172,624 US 172,625 US 172,626 US 172,629 US 172,630 US 172,636 US 172,664 US 172,668 US 172,671 US 172,673 DE 172,780 US 172,788 US 172,793 US 172,803 US I will modify this original post as we get numbers coming in. If you want to stay private, PM me your number, or if you are not a member email me at gmaxim (at) gmail com And the obligatory photo of the model we are discussing. This is 172,793 the highest number in private ownership known so far, wearing a set of rare Walther Ulm manufactured* laminated wood grips.
Known pistols: 172,277 US Interarms 172,285 US Interarms 172,291 US Interarms 172,323 DE 172,616 UK deactivated 172,620 US 172,621 US 172,623 US 172,624 US 172,625 US 172,626 US 172,629 US 172,630 US 172,636 US 172,664 US 172,668 US 172,671 US 172,673 DE 172,780 US 172,788 US 172,793 US 172,803 US I will modify this original post as we get numbers coming in. If you want to stay private, PM me your number, or if you are not a member email me at gmaxim (at) gmail com And the obligatory photo of the model we are discussing. This is 172,793 the highest number in private ownership known so far, wearing a set of rare Walther Ulm manufactured* laminated wood grips. Very early commercial P5 Compact models had solid wood, smooth or checkered grips. At a later time Walther made P5c wood grips from a stronger laminated material. *as a side note, all P5 full size and compact wood grips currently sold by Earl's were made by Karl Nill and not Walther Ulm.
A friend wants to trade, one each, Factory Original, HK P7M8 and HK P7M13 pistols for some other stuff I have. Both pistols are Brand New, Flawless and sport the rare HK Factory Nickel finish. Each comes with Two New Factory Magazines - also with HK Factory Nickel finish. The guns have been in his safe for years and he is not sure where the plastic boxes, manuals, etc are but is looking for them. Since he does not presently have those standard accessories, I'm trying to accurately value the Pistols and Mags Only at this point. I'd like to be sure the trade is equitable and I'd appreciate opinions from knowledgable individuals as to what they believe the current market value to be for each pistol with two mags as detailed above.
What I like about the P7's despite their being discontinued in 2007 is the low bore axis on it and the feeling of quality with it, even compared to my USP. Where the USP was made for multi-calibres, the P7 was really uniquely made around the 9x19 Parabellum cartridge, and it shows. It's the one gun I feel H&K was a long way ahead of the curve on; it's striker-fired, has a gas action that's now making a comeback in the recently released Walther CCP pistol, has a low bore axis that helps reduce muzzle jump and helps with follow-up shots and has a fixed barrel that lends itself to high accuracy even for a short-barreled pistol.
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Where the USP was made for multi-calibres, the P7 was really uniquely made around the 9x19 Parabellum cartridge, and it shows. It's the one gun I feel H&K was a long way ahead of the curve on; it's striker-fired, has a gas action that's now making a comeback in the recently released Walther CCP pistol, has a low bore axis that helps reduce muzzle jump and helps with follow-up shots and has a fixed barrel that lends itself to high accuracy even for a short-barreled pistol. While there's still plenty floating around, they're going to become more and more rare.
MP5/40 MP5 as described above chambered in.40 S&W. After U.S 'law enforcement agencies' determined that they had screwed up with the 10mm Auto cartridge, they decided that the.40 S&W would be better. So, this version of the submachine gun was also designed for sale to U.S. 'law enforcement agencies'.
The plum color is more mixed the blue and is more of a plum tinge you see in the light. Let me know your serial # and I will get you a date of production. Never mind, I just saw your closeup of your serial #. Yep, late 1980 or very early 1981. OMG, I forgot this site always resizes my pictures.annoying, only site that does it.
Many folks complain of the tiny and for some hard to engage slide stop and heat build up in the gas system after 3 or 4 magazines in rapid fire. That in itself reveals the true intent of the P7 as a pure gun fighter’s tool.
SOLD LSB#: 160504CL01 Make: Heckler & Koch Model: P7 Serial Number: 13727 Year of Manufacture: 1980 (IA Date Code) Caliber: 9mm Parabellum Action Type: Semi-Automatic, Grip-Cocked, Gas Retarded Blow Back, Semi-Automatic, Removable Magazine Fed Pistol. Markings: The left side of the slide is marked “HECKLER & KOCH GMBH / OBERNDORF/N MADE IN GERMANY / 9mmX19”, the right is marked with the serial number, eagle over “N” nitro proof and “HK INC ARL VA 22201”. The right side of the frame is marked with the serial number, eagle over “N”, IA date code and Ulm antler. The lower portion of the left grip is marked “HK P7”.
And Bavaria is still using them. Just as the Walther P5 is still in limited production over there since the Dutch/Netherland police and one German 'Land' police are still using them.
The gas retarding mechanism did not work for this caliber, so it was replaced with an expensive hydraulic buffer unit. This made the gun too expensive to market. Heckler & Koch usually shows one in their booth at trade shows. Much of what you see here was borrowed from the, which also has a picture of a nickel P7M7! ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ Copyright 2000,2001,2002, 2003 All Rights Reserved.
Ok, Sometimes I think too much.loud slap on the forehead. I belive they skip only the letter 'I' as I have a German import with a J. If you are you asking for specific lot #s that seem to display better accuaracy etc. The various HK forums are full of this kind of info. I read your message as wanting to know the year of manuf. And import info on your HK.
Just because someone asks a certain amount on GB doesn't make it worth that, what people have actually been willing to pay does. Edited 27 Feb 2016 by Josey Wales add info.
The screw head slots show light tooling but are highly serviceable. The markings are crisp. Overall, this handgun rates in about Fine condition. Mechanics: The action functions correctly. This pistol features a gas-retarded delayed blow back system.
Your absolute best bet for researching current value is always the 'completed listings' section of GunBroker. This shows you what a gun actually sells for, as opposed to what people list for but don't sell.
Finally figured it out, I have to post as a Large thumbnail size from the host for it to come out right on here. Last edited by HKaltwasser; at 04:50 PM. The P7E or PSP model with the shielded heel mag release are some of the best made all steel semis in my opinion. All mine started out with deep black matte slides, but over the 30 years I had them they turned the plum color and they were never refinished. Charlie, the old H&K Customer Service rep at Chantilly told me once over the phone that the slide is made of a very hard steel and the chemical reaction of blueing would sometimes change over time to the plum hue.
These pistols were ordered by the British Ministry of Defence, were made from 1988-1991, serial numbers ranged from 170 001 to 172 9xx, total production was less then 3,000 pieces and all were delivered to the British to fulfil the order. A records search at Walther Germany revealed 46 were returned to Germany and subsequently sold to 'Earl's Repair Service' in USA.
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After shooting a box of ammo - had to stop since it got too hot to hold - I noticed the extractor was GONE - but the P7 fed, fired and ejected all the rounds with no problems. Charlie sent me 2 spare extractors, springs, etc for free and that pistol went on for another 10 years with only a change of recoil spring and occasional cleaning of the gas cylinder. I traded it for a 1984 dated P7M8 and some cash since the M8 owner did not like the mag release on his M8. Wish I had kept that P7E. You did good. The P7E or PSP model with the shielded heel mag release are some of the best made all steel semis in my opinion. All mine started out with deep black matte slides, but over the 30 years I had them they turned the plum color and they were never refinished.
It is simply THE BEST pistol I've ever owned. I always say: When talking about the P7 that there are two classes of people 1.
A small number were imported through 'INTERARMS' however it is not known if they were part of the 46 or a separate shipment. Thus far all of the guns in private ownership have been in the 172,xxx range and no guns have been observed in the 15x,xxx serial number range that was reserved for the commercial 'P5 Compact' marked guns. The main features differentiating the British L102A1 guns: 1. Phosphate finish instead of traditional blued for better resistance to elements 2. 'L102A1' model markings instead of 'P5 Compact' on left side of slide 3. NATO stock number 1005-99-978-4952 on right side of slide If you have an L102A1 or know of one please contribute the serial number. If it has any unusual features, is a deactivated pistol, or has any extra marking such as UK Army unit of issue please note it.
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There are flush mag releases and protruding mag release P7's. Serial key photoshop cs3. Cant be, I have handled over 25 of the P7E's and all resold in the $900 to $1200 range depending if they still had the cardboard boxes. All were either Arlington or Chantilly marked and not considered rare at all, since H&K sold them to us on Federal/Military Officer price of $495 each and sometimes only $295 each. H&K 9mm Navy stainless steel suppressor were $525 to a H&K Police dealer or direct if you were a Virginia resident and the remaining P9S Navy model target pistols with spare slide, spare long barrel and special navy bolt head was $725 in 1987.
Mine now has a nice patina and I wouldn't trade it for anything. That mark is the equivalent of a WWII Waffenamt. It's basically an inspectors stamp. For some reason, some pistols had that stamp ground off. Your slide was most likely refinished at some point; that's why your markings on it are blued. Originally, they looked like this: IIRC, the stamps were filled in with some sort of foil material. When the slide was refinished, the foil in the stamp was destroyed.